Did you guys hear about them darn tootin PBN thing-a-ma-jigs
get de-indexerated? Boy golly gosh gee wiz, it seems like SEO is
a changin forever…
Becker here and after looking through the PBN week
group and on reading a few "SEO blogs" the picture below
basically sums up the overall message
I don't see the big deal though.
Now look these are not bad sources of information, I
personally do not read SEO blogs/news though. I instead
try to get my information from leading 100k per
month SEO's because of the huge amount of tangible
data they have.
I also only really care about income
earned because that is the whole point of SEO and
the only "score board" that really matters. Theory
and analysis is great, but if it doesn't directly lead
to increased income its just thought.
Here's what I have seen from the SEO's I listen to
Greg Morrison, who I am pretty sure is closing in on
past 200k a month, only noticed a few sites being de
indexed and mostly due to who is info.
Alex Miller at Posirank, who has clients paying more
than 50k per month for linkage, again did not notice much and
pointed out the huge footprints in peoples networks.
Jimmy Kelly, who I have not spoke to in awhile but follow
has not reported anything alarming. This dude is probably
one of the better SEO's on the planet and is far beyond
PBN's though. Last we spoke, he was railing in well over
100k a month and I'm sure this may of doubled by now.
Kotton Grammer (142k a month) did not take any hits
and while he still uses PBNs, is seeing a ton of ways
to rank other than PBN's
Dan Anderson (100k a month affiliate) did not take any
Kelly Felix, though I have not met him, still crushes the
Gold IRA niche and you can even scrape up his PR links.
(Just Google "gold ira" and scrape the top site)
Glen Allsop and Diggy at Viperchill hardly took a scratch as well.
Long story short, for SEO's that paid attention to the signs
and prepared, nothing really happened.
I personally own a fairly large PR network at Autopilot and
have my own (though I am moving away from solely PBN's)
and I will admit I lost about 15% of my Autopilot network.
(Which we took down immediately and are replacing)
However, every site fell into the SAME category
1. Was on SEO hosting (which we moved away from quite
some time ago)
2. Lacked what I am going to show you in this post
Heres a few things though
1. I and no one I have talked to saw a penalty to
Granted a few SEO's did and I'll explain why
I think that happened in a moment
2. My horrible, disgraceful, massive footprint example network
I have used to rank sites right in front you here is still
The slim, simple money sites that I ranked live on here are still
ranking and still making thousands of dollars and carrying
authority in Google.
Now its only a matter of time before they get hit, because they
are just "silly" and I have been using them as examples for
almost a year…
But the point of the story is, nothing has changed. Almost a year
ago I started yelling
"PUT YOUR SHIT ON DIFFERENT HOSTS"
"LINK TO OTHER AUTHORITY SITES"
"THEME YOUR NETWORK"
Granted this is stuff I got from people who were yelling it before
me (Alex Miller for example) and low and behold… This is how
most people got caught.
Now there are a few more things, but it seems like
those are the reason most networks got hit. Keep in mind
my example network is embarrassingly bad, but it covers
those few things and has kept 4k-8k a month sites producing
Now I do not claim to see the future or be able to firmly predict
Google. I don't even consider myself to be an amazing SEO, just
a smart guy. (And frankly it doesn't take talent to make money
with SEO right now, check out my example money sites on
here…They are plain silly)
My secret these days is having the best SEO's on the planet
pointing out this stuff well in advance. (Alex Miller, Kotton
Grammer, and the OMG NHB crew)
These guys are the best of the best and run circles around
most big names (even me, thankfully they are on my side)
and if they say something is happening…it is.
So don't only take my word on it, take the word of a group
of SEO's bringing in well over 500k a month in profits.
And based on all that I have seen after comparing notes
with them this is what all the hub bub is about
Spencer Haws' PBN's Are Dead Post
I don't know him personally, as I don't really read SEO
blogs. I do know he gives a ton of value out and is super
honest. and seems like a great guy.
My heart also goes out to him because I know Google
cracked down on him hard. However to me, it looks like
the same exact thing that happened to the big blog networks
a few years ago.
Google picked him and few others out, and made an example.
After that, if Google wants to connect the dots and get you
they will. I'm going to assume that they connected the dots
from the Rank Hero network, back to his sites and then nuked
everything to glass as well as any SEO sites related by hosting
The same exact thing happened a few years ago when Google
crushed every public PBN provider, and by crush I mean
CRUSHED. Every site they tried to replace got shot down and
it was 100% big brother mode on them from there out.
This is what I believe happened here. Rank Hero and other
BIG networks obviously shared a ton in common with smaller
For example if you were sharing hosting with their hubs, similar
IP's, similar content ETC ETC it is likely you got caught in the
shock wave of "BOOM"
If not, I really don't think you have a ton to worry about
as of TODAY (Google could come wipe out and contradict
everything I am saying tomorrow afternoon…so)
Why? Two reasons
1. I know plenty of people who lost a lot of their network but
not their rankings. If Google was penalizing for networks
universally you would see A LOT more bombs going off.
For example: I am in the NHB OMG group, almost everyone
there uses PBNs. I saw literally zero reports of lost rankings.
I did see reports for de indexes, but zero dramatic losses
2. I have BAD networks laying around. Like bad, started almost 2 years
ago and messes. They are still fine. The sites they aim at are fine.
While I have immensely improved how I do this, I still have these laying
around and they are still pumping a long to old ass money sites (most of
which I sold off)
Now…Theres A WHOLE Other Issue
Besides this mass de index that happened a few days ago
there is a much bigger issue at hand. The "steady" de indexing
that has been happening over time.
This is a WAY bigger issue because I do not think this is caused
by manual reviews. BIG manual reviews are not common, they are
just very severe and when they want to make an example of
people they do.
But for the most part, if your not running a huge link network
(200+ sites) your okay. The issue with these latest de indexes
is it looks like they are from "scrapes".
Because Google is removing networks 1-2 PBNs at a time. If it
was manual you would see entire networks being knocked out.
My belief is that they are throwing out a net with different requirements
and de indexing everything that comes back.
And in my opinion it isn't to dang hard for them to pin point.
Now I really don't think it has anything to do with plug ins or
any technical stuff besides hosting. I have sites with Main WP
and Cloud PBN and they all are working just fine. THOUGH,
this could be a easy scrape for Google in the future.
I think the issues are a little bit more obvious…
Here is what I think the "net" is looking for and why some PBNs
are so obvious.
1. NO INTERNAL LINKS
Holy cow, look at most PBNs… They don't link to any other page
on the site. They literally just link out to other sites
How hard is it to write a code that digs up sites with only external
2. No related links to authorities
Most PBNs just link to sites that have low trust levels (aka new sites).
Again, c'mon now. How simple of "scrape" would that be. Find all
sites that link out to sites with no search volume, no traffic, and
Place links to as many real related sites as possible
3. Links in every single post…
Golly gosh, how blatantly obvious is it when a site has only
5 posts, no internal links, and every post links out to a low
quality no-name site.
4. No internal pages
Again, Google heavily looks at links. But if a site has a PR 4
in Googles eyes, and zero internal pages that is a whole entire
red flag on its own.
Having contact pages and legal pages helps, but simply having
other crap on your site other than blog posts is SIMPLE
5. All on the same host or SEO hosting
I feel bad for SEOhost though.
6. Linking to de-indexed or crap sites
For example if a money site was labeled by Google, it
would obviously go look at the links and label any
obvious PBNs as bad juju.
The end…. Super simple
So…PBN's Are Not Dead…But Are Also Becoming Irrelevant
Like I said before, my secret to SEO is not pondering theory, spending
hours testing, or watching Matt Cutt's blog (Though, I personally think
he is quite the wiz)
Over the past year I have greatly shifted into a business owner who
understands SEO and my secret is that I have the best SEO's on
the planet as friends.
These are not well known bloggers, or famous gurus, they are
just underground dudes who kill it and run their own businesses.
And with that being said, I have seen enough proof that YES,
PBNs work and NO they are not dead…. The thing is, they are
In fact, I truly believe that links are only 50% of the off page
Right now, the true best SEO's are ranking WITHOUT links.
Yes…Without links… You see it happen all the time
with authority sites like Forbes (a page has no links yet
shows up first) so this really is not that shocking.
Now imagine if you knew the formula behind that…
On top of that, through just my testing CTR has an
incredible effect on rankings. One of the reasons I have
released a fews sites publicly on Source Wave is to test this.
Ever notice that after I released the Rhinoplasty site, BOOM
it dominated every search in Texas with just a few PR links.
The same exact thing happened with Shred Source.
And for both sites they got a big old authority site
link below box (see below) even though they are
super thin sites, and have HORRIBLE pr links
going to them.
This is because the second I released them, everyone
searched their search terms and then went right
down and clicked the site…
Wouldn't it make sense for Google to boost the sites
people told them they were searching for? Why would
you want a site with a low CTR at the top of the search
and the high CTR at the bottom. People are obviously
searching for the one at the bottom.
Now I thought this was just theory, but I have seen enough
research to realize this is where Google is headed. (Wiz kids
are already making software right now to game this)
On top of that, social signals, search volumes, and a bunch
of other things that people completely ignore are the true
driving force between major searches.
Even to the point that if you can get these in the right
combination you can get authority rankings with Fiverr
packages (Do not try this quite yet)
So heres the take away from that,:PBNs work and boy do they
work. But they are not where SEO is headed. I was not planning
on sharing this till the Phoenix launch but its brutally obvious.
So keep that in mind…
Now ENOUGH THEORY… Lets talk solutions…
Below is a webinar by my friend Stephen Floyd, who has had some
major success keeping his PBN safe. A lot of people in the
PBN week group loved it and found it helpful so enjoy!
I think the product may be closed but a lot of people
still enjoyed the webinar. I am sure you can probably
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